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america. and that we reduce our deficit in a balanced way that allows us to make critical investments. now, ultimately it will be up to the voters, to you, which path we should take. are we going to double down on the top down economic policies that helped get us into this mess? or do we embrace a new economic patriotism, that says america does best when the middle class does best? i'm looking forward to having that debate. >> governor romney, two minutes. >> thank you, jim. an honor to be with you and pleased to be with the president. i'm pleased to be at the university of denver, i appreciate the welcome and the presidential commission on these debates and congratulations to you, mr. president, on your anniversary. i'm sure ythis is the most romantic place you could imagine, here with me. this obviously is a tender topic. i've had the occasion of meeting people across the country. i was in dayton, ohio and a woman grabbed my arm and said i've been out of work since may. can you help me? and yesterday was at a rally in denver and a woman came up to her with a baby in her arms and said, an

. >> you have been president for four years. he said he would cut the deficit in half. we still have trillion-dollar deficits. if you are reelected, we will get to a trillion-dollar debt. you have said you will cut the deficit in half. you find $4 trillion in cuts. we still show trillion-dollar deficits every year. that does not get the job done. why is it that i do not want to raise taxes? i do not want to raise taxes on people. in 2010, he said he would extend the tax policies we have now and not raise taxes because when the economy is going slow like this, you should not raise taxes on anyone. the economy is still going slow. it is growing more slowly now than when he made that statement. if he believed the same thing -- the reality is it is not just wealthy people. it is not just donald trump you are taxing. it is the people that employ one-quarter of the workers that are taxed as individuals. you raise taxes and kill jobs. that is why the national federation of independent businesses said your plan will kill 7000 jobs. >> let's stay on the tax system for a moment. to reduce the

? >> i would have to just say what the president said four years ago, if he could not cut the deficit in half, he does not deserve to run again. i don't have anything against him, but a lot of people called up and said the narrator ann romney grandstanded. i don't think he has the passion he does because he is under a lot of pressure. he has painted himself into a corner. >> this is from joshua, texas, on the independent line. >> i was watching the debate tonight and just looking at the body language on these guys. they keep avoiding the real issues. >> such as? >> they keep talking about the middle class, but their definition of the middle classes people that make over $40,000, for the most part. what about the people who make $20,000 or less? a lot of people don't make that much money. >> beat you learn anything tonight? >> no sir >> eric is saying she was not moved at all by this debate. this is steve joins us on our democrats line. >> i watched the debate for a second time tonight, and the first time i thought romney had him back on his heels of a lot. the second time through, i r

we are setting as we wind down two wars, to rebuild america, and we reduce our deficit in a balanced way that allows us to make these critical investments. ultimately it's up to the voters, to you, which path we should take. are we going to double down on the top-down economic policies that help us get into this mess, or do we embrace america doing best when the middle-class. >> of trichet the chance to be here with the president and be at the university of denver -- i appreciate the chance to be here with the president. congratulations to you, mr. president, under anniversary. i am sure this is the most romantic place you can imagine being, here with me. i have had the occasion of the last couple of years in meeting people across the country. i was in dayton, ohio, and a woman grabbed my arm and said i have been out of work since may, can you help me? yesterday i was at a rally in denver and a woman came up to be with the baby in her arms and said my husband has had four jobs in three years. he lost his most recent job and we have now just lost our home, can you help us? the answer

'll have to close our deficit. and how do we deal with our tax code and make sure we are reducing spending in a responsible way and how do we make sure we have enough revenue to make those changes. governor romney's plan calls for $8 trillion, how we pay for that reduce the deficit and make the investments that we need to make without dumping those costs on middle class americans i think is one of the central questions of this campaign. >> both of you have spoken about a lot of different things. first governor romney do you have a question you would like to ask the president directly about something he just said? >> romney: sure. first of all, i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. i don't have a tax cut. my view is that we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle class, but i'm not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high income people. they are doing just fine in this economy. the people having a hard time right now are middle income americans. they have been buried. they are just being crushed. middle income americans have seen their income c

said you would cut the deficit in half, it's four years later. >> the way we do it is $2.50 for every cut. we ask for $1 additional revenue. pay for by asking those of us who have done well to contribute more to reduce the deficit. >> reporter: the president insisted romney would spend $5 million. >> math, common sense and history shows it's not a recipe of job growth. >> everything he said about my plan is inaccurate. >> reporter: medicare -- >> cutting from medicare to balance the additional cost of obama care is a mistake. >> if you repeal obama care, and i have become fond of this term, obama care, if you repeal it, those seniors are going to pay more for prescriptions. >> reporter: the exchange over health care and jobs. >> i don't know how the president could come into office facing 23 million people out of work, economic crisis at the kitchen table and fight for obama care instead of fighting for jobs for the american people. >> we did work on this alongside working on jobs. this is part of making sure middle class families are secure. >> romney challenging his to se exchange h

. >> you said you'd cut the deficit in half. it's four years later, we still have trillion-dollar deficit. >> the way we do is for additional cut, we ask for a dollar of additional revenue, paid for, as i indicated earlier, by asking those of us who have done very well in this country to contribute a little bit more to reduce the deficit. >> reporter: the president insisted romney would spend $5 trillion on tax breaks favoring the wealthy. >> math, common sense and our history shows us that's not a recipe for job growth. >> everything he just said about my tax plan is inaccurate. >> reporter: they clashed on wall street, whether banks should be too big to fail, and medicare. >> cutting $716 billion from medicare to be able to balance the additional cost of obama care is, in my opinion, a mistake. >> if you repeal obama care, and i have become fond of this term, obama care, if you repeal it, what happens is those seniors right away are going to be paying $600 more in prescription care. >> reporter: the fiercest exchange over health care and jobs. >> i just don't know how the president coul

him the 10% president. that is what he spiax responsibility for the deficit and libya is still raising more questions for the white house. it could have been stopped? >> paul: welcome to the journal editorial report. i'm paul gigot. you'll eyes were on ohio this week as they both hit the buckeye state hard. hoping to put 18 electoral votes in their col >> paul: politics poll real lot of attention to polls because it depends on what they take and the sample. these guys have been in ohio and they should start paying income tax. this thing is as close can be they both wouldn't be here. i expect this to go down to the wire. we are always a swing state. it will be very close. >> paul: so the democrats are saying one of big things that is helping the spent the auto bailout. is that how you lead to to help the president? >> look, we're up 123,000 jobs over the last year and three-quarters. we're actually according to the bureau of labor statistics down 500 jobs, auto jobs in ohio. the situation. chrysler has expanded and ford and gm have shrunk their footprint but we stabilizing. auto industr

of the fed. certainly fed jim bernanke and a big hawk about our deficit. good to have you on the program. >> thank you, maria. good to be with you. >> what are you expecting? do you think governor romney comes out swinging right off the bat? what do you think he is going to be pressured and asked about in terms of specifics on his economic plan? >> overall i don't expect a whole lot of specifics from either one. in the last several weeks the whole of the discussion has been on debate techniques and who's going to make the biggest gaffe. hopefully they'll get to the bottom of it. but i don't know if they'll get around to what i consider the biggest financial issues, the debt crisis that we have. and what are they going to do about it. and how do they relate to the federal reserve. say we can't have much to do with it. let the fed monetize the debt and go on and on? i have not heard from either one of them actually cutting something. so i'm afraid the important issue of the financial crisis that we're in the middle of is going to get worse. my prediction is they won't really deal with it t

the biggest deficit in our history. over the last four years, the deficit has gone up but 90% is a consequence of two wars that weren't paid for, as consequence of tax cuts that weren't paid for. a prescription drug plan that wasn't paid for and worst economic crisis since the great depression. that accounts for 10% for the increase in the deficit. >> we asked editor james free man to run the numbers. so let's take these one by one. did president obama inherit the biggest deficit in american history? >> it wasn't the biggest and he didn't inherit it. world war ii had bigger deficits. he didn't really inherit it. he helped create it. 2009 was the first year in office and especially something he doesn't seem to want to remember, stimulus $8000 billion. >> paul: as a share of the economy it was 3.2%. it did balloon to 10.1% in 2009. i would give president bush some credit for that because in fact the recession had started. the recession for his first six months of his term. what you are saying there is a thing called $830 billion spending. >> february 2009 that president obama doesn't want to tak

deficit spending. so this idea, look, overseas, which where i come from means lake superior. we both live near canada, right? the canadians have this figured out. the canadians lowered their taxes to 15%. president obama wants to tax our successful small businesses to go above 40%? when we tax our job creators at much higher tax rates than our foreign competitors tax theirs, they win, we lose. we have to get right with the idea that our jobs come from successful small businesses. we don't want to tax them more, we don't want to regulate them more, we want them to hire more. that is essential. [applause] and none of this is going to work. no business is going to be confident to take that risk to hire people, to advance people, to give people promotions and raises and job security if they see their government borrowing and spending like it is. we can't keep borrowing 36 cents of every dollar our government spends. we can't keep the federal reserve doing what it's doing. we cannot keep looking our children in the eyes knowing that we're going to give them a diminished future because we are s

. romney came out swinging as the candidates argued tax policy, budget deficit and health care and looks like the aggressive approach may have paid off for the republican challenger. a poll shows romney made strides. we go to denver first. >> reporter: terrell, good morning. seems like mitt romney may have received that boost he was hoping for after putting the president on the defensive for much of the night. romney lauded his own accomplishments as governor of to highlight the failed promises of the obama administration. the first presidential debate started with a hand shake and a romantic moment. >> 20 years ago i became the luckyiest man onarth because michelle obama agreed to married me. >> congratulations. >> reporter: that was the last touching moment of the night. >> everything he said about my tax plan is inaccurate. the tax plan he described is the tax plan i was asked to support i would say absolutely not. >> he's been running on this tax plan, and now five weeks before the election he's saying that his big bold idea is never mind. >> reporter: the theme of the debate for pre

deficit. they have to deal with the deficit. but once you're done with the deficit you have to rebuild the middle class in this country and nobody is paying much attention to that. we have a lot of rhetoric in the campaign but-- >> but the necessary done to help the middle class is to nail down the fiscal issues. if we don't nail down the fiscal issues, i don't think anything will matter. >> but i'm with you, i think it will happen because of necessity, because of the fiscal cliff. >> what it will take to rebuild the middle class? >> it's taken three decades to basically decimate the middle class. it will take something like that to rebuild it. but we have to be dedicated to that. we're focused on a fescal deficit not a human deficit, and we have a human deficit in this country. we have 27 million people either unemployed, working part time, unwillingly, or dropping out of the labor market. >> schieffer: let me work michelle into this conversation. as you sit here hearing this, it's always education that seems to wind up at the back of the line. >> that's right, that's right. and i thi

the deficit or stick it to the middle class. that's the math. we can't afford to go down that road again. we can't afford to gut our investments in education or clean energy or research and technology. we can't afford to roll back regulations on wall street. or on big oil companies or insurance companies. we cannot afford to double down with the same top-down economic policy that is got us into this mess. that is not a plan to create jobs. that is not a plan to grow the economy. that is not changed. that is a relapse. we don't want to go back there. it didn't work, and we are not going back. we are going forward. i've got a different view about how we create jobs and prosperity. this government doesn't succeed when we only see the rich getting richer. we succeed when the middle class gets bigger. we grow our economy not from the top down, but from the middle out. we don't believe that anybody is entitled to success in this country, but we do believe in something called opportunity. we believe in a country where hard work pays off and where responsibilities were awarded and everybody is getti

to handle the economy, mr. romney leads by three. on the deficit, mr. romney leads by nine. on all of these issues, that's the one on which he has the strongest trust from voters as compared with president obama. and that confidence in mr. romney on the deficit turns up not just in the nbc/"wall street journal" poll, but in a lot of national polls. even though he hasn't given a lot of details as to how he would handle the deficit as an issue. the bottom line, there's no question as to who you would rather be here, right? you would rather be president obama than mitt romney looking at these numbers. that plus 19 advantage that the president has on looking out for the middle class, that is a death nail for mr. romney's campaign if he cannot turn that around. but i think looking ahead to tonight's debate, there is a real opportunity in the huge disconnect in the electorate, in a way that reflects a real risk for president obama. there's this huge disconnect between mr. obama's best number with voters and one of his worst numbers. which is that president obama has so far not been able

deficit and a balanced way that allows us to make these critical investments. now, ultimately it will be up to the voters, to you, which path we should take. are we going to double down on the top-down economic policy that helped to get us into this mess cliques or do we embrace a new economic patriotism that says america does best when the middle classed as fast. i am looking forward to having that debate. >> moderator: governor romney, two minutes. romney: thank you, jim. i am pleased to be at the university of denver and i appreciate their welcome and also the presidential commission on these debates. congratulations to you, mr. president on your anniversary. i'm sure this is the most romantic place you can imagine here with me. [laughter] congratulations. this is obviously a very tender topic. identification of the last couple years many people across the country. i was in dayton, ohio, and a woman grabbed my hand and said she'd been out of work since may. can you help me? yesterday was a rally in denver and a woman came up to her with a baby in her arms and said my husban

on the economy and jobs. >> as you said, the focus clearly on the economy from jobs to taxes to the deficit. mitt romney went on the attack early among other things on what he planned to cut. >> obama care is on my list, apologize mr. president. >> i like -- >> good. i'm sorry, jim, i will stop the subsidy to pbs. i like pbs. i like big bird. i will not keep borrowing money. >> president obama responded by questioning pledge to cut taxes for all and reducing the deficit at the same time. >> math, common sense and our history shows us that's not a recipe for job growth. we've tried this. we've tried both approaches. the approach that governor romney is talking about is the same sales pitch that's made in 2001-2003. >> the national federation of independent businesseses said your plan will kill 700,000 jobs. i don't want to kill jobs in this environment. >> romney slammed the president for the collapse of sill cylinderra and among things. 46% of america he considered himself -- themselves victims. even president supporters frustrated he didn't go on the owe -- offensive. >> we have crews with both

direct exchanges came on the issue of the deficit. governor romney challenged the president that he had not done enough to reduce the president. lead to mass i have cuts. >> you have been president four years. you would cut the deficit in half, we still have trillion dollar deficits. a trillion dollar deficit each of the four years. if you are reelected, we'll get to a trillion dollar debt. >> we're asking for no revenue, we hag to give -- end up in resulting in se veer hardship for poem. >> social security is also a big topic. both men went back and forth on this one. >> you can call it a target or lind pent voters. they are eventually going to need social security, so the job of each of these candidates tonight was to paint the other's programs in aing intive right. on the issue, the president said that mitt romney's plans would eventually turn entitlements. he is trying to empower people to take control other their present this plan, the sees sense of the plan. >> i know what my own vow is. i rather not telling the government not telling me what insurance company to get. >> thi

the deficit or burdening the middle class. it's math. it's arithmetic. >> reporter: on medicare and social security one agreement. >> neither the president nor i are proposing any changes for any current retirees or near retirees. >> reporter: in ten years romney wants a private medicare option. >> aarp has said that your plan would weaken medicare substantially. >> reporter: romney fired back in a major debate moment that the president weakened the economy by his focus on health care. >> i just don't know how the president could come into office facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment, and spend his energy and passion for two years fighting for obama care instead of fighting for jobs for the american people. >> we did work on this alongside working on jobs because this is part of making sure that middle class families are secure in this country. >> reporter: a substantial debate. no zingers. i'm steve handelsman, nbc news, denver. >>> all right. so how did the candidates do? well, post debate instant polls reveal that most voters believe mitt romney did better than presi

as we wind down two wars to rebuild america, and that we reduce our deficit in a way that makes us ablet -- that makes it able for us to create critical investments. it is up to you. are we going to go from the top down, which is what got us into this mess, or do we embrace the new economic patriotism that says america does best when the middle class does best? i'm looking forward to having that debate. >> governor romney. >> thank you, jim. i appreciate the chance to be with the president. appreciate the university of denver and their welcome. congratulations to you, mr. president, on your anniversary. i am sure this is the most dramatic place you could imagine, here with me. so congratulations. [laughter] this is a tender topic. i have had the occasion over the last several years meeting people across the country. i was in ohio and a woman grabbed my arm, and she said, i have been out of work since may. can you help me? yesterday was a rally in denver. a woman came up to my wife with a baby in her arms and said, my husband has had four part-time jobs in three years. we have just lost o

on the different issues from taxes to spending and the deficit. >> only in washington would you count $4 trillion of reduction when, in fact, the plan called for adding $1 trillion of debtry one of the next fur years. i think that is wrong. we should instead take a course represented by free democrat to get america to cap our funding, cut our spending and get us on track to a balanced budget. >>reporter: the obama campaign licking their wounds and said governor romney has a vigorous performance that was devoid of honesty. the romney campaign firing back against that saying that the obama campaign has been engaging inning in but false statements. trace, the war of words continues this far after the debate. >>trace: it will go on. john, thank you. president obama's advisor, david axelrod acknowledging that governor romney has a great night and admitting the president will make some adjustments. president obama fought back today attacking governor romney on the campaign trail. listen. >> it could not have been mitt romney because the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last

. >> president's number one vulnerability, is it the deficit conversation? >> i think that there isn't really -- the president has done a very good job in colorado of pointing out the things he has done. agricultural exports are up largely because of new markets opening. overall exports are up. 38% by the end of last year. our economy has seen a lot of benefit. issues around the stimulus sometimes people bring that up. colorado voters are more in tune with that. there is although i think there is also some of the background issues that have risen in. women's issues -- >> i want to bring that up. is that romney's number one issue? i have seen a lot of advertising specifically targeted women here in colorado. >> when michael bennett was running for the u.s. senate those women issues came up again and again and really did turn a great number of voters in the direction of michael bennett. >> i know you are having a fight between the state and localities having to do with fracking and you want to expand energy. it sounds like romney would be on your side on some of these things and the stereotype

on jobs? is he going to run on finances or deficit? unemployment? what did he say about the future? >> governor strickland? >> what deductions was mitt romney willing to lay before the american people? >> what he said is -- >> he has an idea but there's no detail there. and the american people know that when you cut taxes for wealthy people and somebody's got to pay the freight man. somebody's got to carry the burden of keeping this government running, of paying veteran benefits, of making sure medicare is secure, of protecting social security. i mean, mitt romney is devoid of specifics. and that's the problem with the mitt romney plan. >> you know, i think the problem with your analysis of romney's campaign is that you're using obama's spin points. we are going to cut veteran benefits, we are going to decimate social security, all of which is utter nonsense. the bowles simpson, obama's commission, i don't mean to get wonky here, chris, said they were going to lower the upper rates on americans far more than before. and by the way, governor romney said that you could look at the bo

, there are also some tax hikes here, and wouldn't that do something to decrease the deficit? >> yes, it's the only specific tax increase that-- of both candidates and if you would close the deficit and turn some of the tacks to the higher levels, and the revenues for the government, revenue enhancement. however, to cost patriotism to say a small fraction of the country will have an extra tax burden, everybody has to pay more taxes, in fact, if you combine the tax proposals of mitt romney and president obama, together you would have a patriotic plan where you're removing some of the benefits of the lower people the last 10, 15 years and then, we would have higher revenues cross the board and that would lower the deficit the most, and the other things in this that are not particularly patriotic. a lot of the obama proposals think there's a small group that can fix the problems. the thing with the car thing, we all have to pay a higher gas tax and help the deficit, and have the cars making 80 miles per hour and we're the ones driving far. >> you say you want to wave the flag for patriotism, you say t

. >> the president said we cut the deficit in half. unfortunately he doubled it. >> jon: 1.2 trillion when he took office t is 1.1 trillion now. mr. president are you just going throat him roll you. >> mr. president, two minutes. >> when i walked in the oval office i had more than a trillion dollar deficit greeting me. and we know where it came from. yes, when to take some initial emergency measures to make sure we didn't slip into a great depression. let's make sure we are cutting out those things that are not helping us grow. 18 programs are-- medical fraud in medicare, cut a trillion dollars out of our discretionary domestic budget. the specifically specific $4 trillion deficit reduction plan t is on the web site. you can look at all the numbers. let me just finish this point because are you looking for contrast. >> way over two minutes. >> sorry (laughter) >> jon: you went over your time? and you somehow managed in all that overtime to not turn and look your opponent in the lie and just mention what he said was untrue? not even a quick sneeze before your answer, no need to be coy, let me see i

governor romney's pledge of not reducing the deficit, or not adding to the deficit, is by burdening middle-class families, now that's -- not my analysis. >> the president has a view very similar to the view he had when he ran four years ago, a bigger government, spending more, taxing more, regulating more, if you will, trickle down government would work. that's not the right answer for america. >> romney kept attacking o mode instructions. obama some times had trouble getting a word in. many u.s. media analysts say romney had a belttter performan. the candidates have two more debates they have five weeks to win over undecided voters. turkish forces have fired artillery shells across the border into syria. they're retaliating for syrian mortars that landed in southern turkey. it killed five people including a woman and her three children. the mortar landed in the turkish town of akcakale. they have warned of prompt action if their security was threatened again. turkey has provided support for the opposition free syrian army and the turkish military has been building up tanks. turkey has pro

. >> there be will no tax cut that adds to the deficit. i want to underline that no tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> reporter: but the president repeatedly insisted that romney is calling for $8 trillion in tax cuts and spending that cannot be paid for without adding to the deficit or burdening more middle-income americans. >> it's math. it's arithmetic. >> reporter: the. also criticized his -- the president also chris sitees the -- criticized hid cal letter without -- his challenger of not providing more. the obama campaign is conceding that the extensive preparation paid off at a time when he needed a lift. many viewers saw a president not at the top of his game. >> he seemed a bit nervous for some reason. almost some questions threw him off and rit romney seemed to throw him off a bit as well. >> reporter: not everyone is giving the win to romney. >> obama had -- he was more comfortable with his ideas. romney was working a bit too hard trying to convince people because he's down in the polls. >> reporter: the president and mitt romney square off again two more times. the next debate is a town

a record deficit when he came into office. >> does it work to keep talking about what happened before? >> only to put in context of where he wants to take the country. we were handed a record debt. record deficit when we walked in because of two wars that weren't paid for, two tax cuts that weren't paid for. because of the economic crisis we had to take emergency action. he would do that same thing today. we saved millions of american families from the severe -- most severe economic crisis we've seen in our life times. now the president cut a trillion dollars and he has a plan to do more, a $4 trillion deficit reduction plan. the only person on that stage tonight with a real deficit reduction plan scored by the cbo, you know, scored by independent economists is barack obama. mitt romney, doesn't have a deficit reduction plan. he wants to spend $2 trillion more in defense, $5 trillion more in a tax cut won't tell us how you pay for, before you even start talking about deficit reduction. it's a joke to think mitt romney will actually take action to redaus the deficit. >> taxes, this wee

's budget you are going to have a trillion dollars deficit. he said, i have not done anything yet. [laughter] he said, no mr. president, the budget they passed guarantees no matter what you do, you will have a trillion dollar debt this year in the budget. a trillion dollar deficit, to be precise. these guys talk about the national debt. what date did generated the -- what they did generate -- generated the jobs since world war ii. it gave us this great recession. what they have not told us is what they are willing to do about it. we laid out a $4 trillion debt reduction plan over next 10 years. we have already passed $1 trillion of it. these guys voted against everything. not only did they say they did not like our plan -- what is your plan? you go out there and you look at the setup. an impressive bipartisan commission. simpson-bowles. everyone of those plans, they rejected. paul ryan even voted against the simpson-bowles plan as a member of the commission. he would not vote to let it get to the united states congress. why? it's important you know why. because they will not voted for a sing

that, sometimes debates have. but there was an exchange about the deficit and debt, talking about the simpson-bowles plan, that had an interesting back and forth. take a listen. e >> in one year, you provided $90 billion in breaks to the green energy world. now, i like green energy as well, but that's about 50 years worth of what oil & gas receives, exon and mobile this. $2.8 billion goes largely to small company, drilling operators and so forth. but if we get that tax rate down to 25%, that $2 important 8 billion is on the table. that's probably not going to survive. but don't forget, you put $ninety billion, like 50 years worth of breaks into soular and wind, to solyndra, fisker, i have a friend who said, you don't just pick the winners and losers, you pick the losers. >> he was talking about the energy plan. president obama picking losers. we will get the simpson-bowles one. let's bring in the panel for analysis. brit hume and joe trippi. okay, brit. your thoughts? >> well, you are right, governor romney came out. he was aggressive. when do you that, you are always in danger

the deficit or burdening the middle class. it's math. it's arithmetic. >> you heard that line from the president a couple times about math. post game reaction over the spin alley behind you. david axel dgs rod said romney is a good debateor but it's not a game changer z saying if this was a game the ref would have called it. there you have it. both sides weighing in on what you're going see. >> just to give you a shot of what we're seeing this is david axel rod. if we take this camera, you can see they're gathered around and he's talking about the debate. and is saying it's not a game changer. clearly the obama campaign, you know, were trying to spin their way on this one. and it's interesting night, and governor romney clearly had a good night by all accounts. even the obama folks and we'll see where it goes from here. >> and you'll be able to tell by who breaks a sweat behind you. >> that is right. and that is it for us here live in denver. and first, it's just the first. there are many more still to come. >> vice presidential debate coming up thursday, thanks for watching. >> we

tax cuts. i said i won't put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> for 18 months, he's been running on this tax plan, and now, five weeks before the election, he's saying his big bold idea is never mind. >> let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. >> it dominated the deficit reduction part of the debate as the president reached back to an iconic moment from the primaries. >> governor romney stood on the stage with other republican candidates for the nomination, and he was asked, would you take $10 of spending cuts for just $1 of revenue. and he said no. >> you've been president four years. you said you would cut the deficit in half. it's four years later. you raised taxes and you killed jobs. the rev new i get is by more people working, getting higher pay, paying more taxes. >> much to the chagrin of more liberal members shlg the president didn't mention bayne capital. didn't question about his tax returns. somehow talked about the bush tax cuts without uttering the name bush. all lines of attack on the campaign pushing in tv

is for a long-term comprehensive bipartisan deficit reduction goal. in our opinion that deal needs to have the millennium voice. if not, there will not be a deal we believe. >>neil: would the group be if their 20's? >>guest: between 18 and 32. >>neil: you telling them when it comes to entitlements, especially, we don't start addressing this, there will be nothing for any of us? >>guest: right. we are trying to connect the issue to their lives. we saying you need to hear about this because sometimes it is hard to tell people, here is what will happen 40 years down the road. what we are telling them, we are talking about lost opportunity. to be honest, they are angry. they want to do something. >>neil: what what i amire about what you are trying to do, the commercial on an educated consumer is the best customer. young people don't realize this is saveable. a majority of young people assume they not going to get because the well will run dry, they can get if all age groups, all demographics start moving. how do you make that pitch? what do you say? >>guest: well, we are basically out there co

in this election this year is obviously the deficit. everyone has talked about the deficit. let's play with both of these candidates tonight had to say about what they would do as president when it comes to the nation's deficit and debt. >> you have been president four years. you said you would cut the deficit in half. we still have trillion dollar deficits. each of the next four years. if you are reelected, we'll get to a trillion dollar debt. >> if we are asking for no revenue, we have to get rid of a whole bunch of stuff and the magnitude of tax cuts would end up resulting in severe hardship for people. more importantly, would not help us grow. >> george ray ray reynalds. what was being missed here? >> sounds good. we've heard it before and it hasn't been happening. that's really it in a nutshell. a lot of good ideas. i really would pick and choose. romney has the means for cutting expenses. that's a good idea. although they both seemed a little unclear at times as to what the difference was between the deficit and the debt. we got the tax part of the equation. obama sited earlier when

's not possible to come up with enough loopholes for individuals to avoid raising the deficit or burdening the middle class. >> there will be no tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> i will take ideas from anybody, democrat or republican as long as they are advancing the cause of making middle class families stronger and giving opportunities to middle class. >> i have got five boys. i'm used to people saying something that not always true but repeating it hoping i will believe it. i will not reduce the taxes paid by high income americans. >> we do better when the middle class is doing well. by giving them those tax cuts they have more money in their pocket so maybe they can buy a new car. >> under the president's tax policies middle americans have been buried. they have been crushed. martha: joe biden had a bit of a gaffe using that same line and mitt romney put it back at him last night. candidates will barely have time to catch their breath. they get back on the campaign trail today. the president will be in colorado and wisconsin. the romney camp moves along to the swing state of virgini

the math work on his deficit plan and his tax plan. are we going to get those details in the course of the debate? >> well, you know, david, i wish you guys were just as tough on the president. the president says he's going to create a million new manufacturing jobs. he doesn't say how. he says he's going to reduce the long-term debt and deficit by $4 trillion. doesn't say how he's going to do it. let's be fair here. governor romney has laid out a direction and a vision for the direction of this country. he's not an accountant. he is not going to go line-by-line through the budget. but let's hold the president to the same standard and criticize him as well, because how does he create a million new manufacturing jobs, david? he hasn't told anybody the specifics of that. how will he reduce $4 trillion in debt? we're still waiting to hear what he thinks about simpson-bowles, which he commissioned. he's been the president and hasn't given us specifics. so let's be fair here. >> so that's really the approach then? you're a former prosecutor. you understand how the courtroom works. mitt r

say mitt romney's tax plan adds 5 trillion. about i say i will not add to the deficit with my tax plan. >> romney never actually said there would be a 20% tax cut? >> i'm going to lower rates across the board for all americans by 20%. i want a 20% across the board reduction in taxes. the individual marginal tax rate 20% across the board. the top rate, for instance, would go from 35 to 28, middle rates would come down by 20% as well, all rates come down. >> president obama was just as surprised. >> well, for 18 months he's been running on this tax plan. and now, five weeks before the election, he's saying that his big, bold idea is never mind. >> but the etch a sketching did not stop there. governor romney who once believed financial regulation was hurting the economy -- >> dodd frank it's called, has not helped enterprise get going, it's slowed it down. >> now seems to be a supporter of wall street regulation. >> want to repeal dodd/frank? >> and replace it. we're not going to get rid of regulation. some parts of dodd/frank that make all of the sense in the world. >> and back in june,

fought our way out of these deficits and the last 12 years when we have gone from 4 trillion dollars in debt to 16 trillion dollars today? >> i am glad you mentioned that number. it is going to cause a huge problem. if you have cancer you do not wait until it is over your whole body. get all of these things, really explain the problem, and hopefully we will get people to deal intelligently with the problem. your wife he ran on fiscal responsibility in washington, declining trust in government, in addition to nafta. the truth is we are much worse on all of those issues today than we were in 1992. gooif you look back at 1992, in part because of the world ross , they did several things. impose budget controls and taxes when they thought they were responsible. they did the right thing for the country. president bush 43 -- his term is over. whoever the next president is needs to change course, because if we do not, the problems of europe could have here. >> we are going to talk about some of these issues of 9-11 and the war and the health -- in the tax cuts of 1998, but let me take you ba

for a $5 trillion tax cut. what i said is i won't put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> their first debate, contentio contentious. >> for 18 months he's been running on this tax plan. and now, five weeks before the election, he's saying that his big bold idea is never mind. >> virtually everything he said about my tax plan sin accurate. look, i have five boys. i'm use the to people saying something that is notays ultimately hoping i'll believe it. >> the question this morning, did either candidate do enough to make believers out of america's undecided voters? >>> it is the day after. good morning and welcome to "early start," everybody. >>> it's 5:00 a.m. in the east. first, round one. it is now in the books. mitt romney has something to celebrate. in a cnn poll, 67% said romney won the first presidential debate. 25% think president obama was the victor. >> there were no real knockout punches thrown last night, more like a series of glancing blows with romney the aggressor on taxes, jobs, health care. putting the president really on the defensive. we're lucky to be j

. the leaders of the spanish regions have agreed to a strict limit on their deficits for this year. spain's overall deficit is expected to be well above the european union target. germany prospered largest insurance company has gone public. >> is the highest initial public offering late germany in about one-and-a-half years. the chief executive officer has run in a new era for the company. they have made over half a billion euros. he says the money will be used for consolidation and he is not planning any new acquisitions in the next two years. that ipo could be a hopeful sign for shares in the coming months. our markets correspondent has more from frankfurt. >> the ipo is a sign of hope for many traders. they are hoping for more ipos to come. 20% of the german mobile phone operator will soon be sold on the stock market according to its parent company. of the ipo process is planned to start as early as this week. all of this is good news for people in the trading floors because ipos only work when there is a certain not of confidence on the markets. a certain amount of reliability. with a

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